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clovehitchedFeeling so very disappointed right now.
Until feminism as a movement stops being mainly an exercise in navel-gazing for middle-class, educated, white cissexual women, until those professing to be feminists stop holding up bigots like Raymond, Greer and Bindel as icons because they're getting damp over some paragraph they once wrote, until the movement at large takes itself seriously enough to apply its supposed principles to cover all women, and all cases where the powerful oppress the powerless, regardless of sex, gender, race, education, class, income, etc., until someone can make a post about trans people having sex on a supposed feminist discussion board without commenters claiming that a trans person (and you know they mean trans woman) having sex without disclosing their medical history is non-consensual sex (i.e. rape) which should be prosecuted, and having half the people in the discussion sharing a similar sentiment...
...until then, I'm going to proclaim loudly and clearly, "I'm not with them."
By the way, did you know that teh tranz is just like an STD? You can probably even catch it from a snog!
(Also, I think that interpreting "the emotional strain caused by the non disclosure is actionable, and so should it be when one hides the fact of them being trans" as "it's OK to kill trans women after fucking them" is probably not that much of a stretch, as you know, that does actually happen quite a lot).
Originally posted at http://auntysarah.dreamwidth.org/214250.html - you can comment here or there.
Until feminism as a movement stops being mainly an exercise in navel-gazing for middle-class, educated, white cissexual women, until those professing to be feminists stop holding up bigots like Raymond, Greer and Bindel as icons because they're getting damp over some paragraph they once wrote, until the movement at large takes itself seriously enough to apply its supposed principles to cover all women, and all cases where the powerful oppress the powerless, regardless of sex, gender, race, education, class, income, etc., until someone can make a post about trans people having sex on a supposed feminist discussion board without commenters claiming that a trans person (and you know they mean trans woman) having sex without disclosing their medical history is non-consensual sex (i.e. rape) which should be prosecuted, and having half the people in the discussion sharing a similar sentiment...
...until then, I'm going to proclaim loudly and clearly, "I'm not with them."
By the way, did you know that teh tranz is just like an STD? You can probably even catch it from a snog!
(Also, I think that interpreting "the emotional strain caused by the non disclosure is actionable, and so should it be when one hides the fact of them being trans" as "it's OK to kill trans women after fucking them" is probably not that much of a stretch, as you know, that does actually happen quite a lot).
Originally posted at http://auntysarah.dreamwidth.org/214250.html - you can comment here or there.
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Date: 2009-11-05 08:53 pm (UTC)WTF! Some of those comments are really quite dire and at points make me feel rather sick. Please don't give up on the rest of us who think this sort of thing is abominable.
ARGH.
When you get serious *then* you *might* have some degree of right to know this just as with anything else in life but only if it actually matters (for e.g. fertility reasons) in your relationship.
Until you are bloody serious and telling them a lot of personal things you have not the slightest right to know. If they actually lie then, yes, I would be angry but not any more. Certainly not to call it sexual assault. People are very rarely completely open and honest, why should an issue where someone's safety potentially at risk if they disclose should they be expected to???