If, however, it's done in such a way where a bunch of mostly comfortably transitioned people are aggressively frightening away those who need help,
I can't speak for anyone else, but that is not something i do--it is, in fact, something i try to avoid; e.g., i'm not going to give a newly-out trans person all kinds of crap for the language they use to refer to trans stuff--and you know it.
But, a lot of this discussion wasn't between newly out trans people and mostly comfortably transitioned people. Most of the people i saw during that conversation, on both sides, were those who i recognized as being at a place where they were relatively comfortable with who they were, some of whom were post-op wrt one or more kinds of transition-related surgery.
Beyond that, to let myself get swept up into this tone argument, you know, not all of the people "on my side" were calling names, and not all of the people "on your side" were being horribly polite during that conversation.
And, by using newly-out trans people this way, you are almost turning this away from the actual discussion and into a "won't someone please think of the children!" kind of discussion.
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Date: 2009-07-21 05:25 pm (UTC)I can't speak for anyone else, but that is not something i do--it is, in fact, something i try to avoid; e.g., i'm not going to give a newly-out trans person all kinds of crap for the language they use to refer to trans stuff--and you know it.
But, a lot of this discussion wasn't between newly out trans people and mostly comfortably transitioned people. Most of the people i saw during that conversation, on both sides, were those who i recognized as being at a place where they were relatively comfortable with who they were, some of whom were post-op wrt one or more kinds of transition-related surgery.
Beyond that, to let myself get swept up into this tone argument, you know, not all of the people "on my side" were calling names, and not all of the people "on your side" were being horribly polite during that conversation.
And, by using newly-out trans people this way, you are almost turning this away from the actual discussion and into a "won't someone please think of the children!" kind of discussion.