after reading this, I'm more then glad I'm a "person non grata" there now, sounds like I've been getting a lot of extra sleep I didn't know I would have otherwise been losing trying to defend people from bullshit like that.
and I so agree with what you say here:
I think one of the biggest objections I had to that thread was the way some of the "tryns wymyn" seem to have equated discussing something controversial within the trans community to their use of outright hateful transphobia against trans men, and deciding the two are equivalent, and therefore the moderators are trans misogynist for picking up the use of actual transphobic hate speech against members of the community while not instantly banning anyone who, you know, dares to take part in the actual discussion on the "wrong" side.
when anything, be it trans stuff, race stuff, sex stuff, whatever changes from "discussing the issue" to "being oppressive" you lose the ability to even address the issue without fear of attack. There needs to be free an open discussion on topics such as those, by both those within and without, in an academic context. There is a huge difference between walking up to some people from a minority group and saying "hay _______, what's up?" and discussing ________ in an academic manner with regards to its impact on society. When people not of group X are barred from even talking about the oppressional forces on group X, they lose allies, support, and political momentum.
I find it interesting that people like those you were referring to in your OP have no trouble stating exactly what is and is not oppressive for their group X (transmen) yet go absolutely apeshit when someone talks about their oppression.
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and I so agree with what you say here:
I think one of the biggest objections I had to that thread was the way some of the "tryns wymyn" seem to have equated discussing something controversial within the trans community to their use of outright hateful transphobia against trans men, and deciding the two are equivalent, and therefore the moderators are trans misogynist for picking up the use of actual transphobic hate speech against members of the community while not instantly banning anyone who, you know, dares to take part in the actual discussion on the "wrong" side.
when anything, be it trans stuff, race stuff, sex stuff, whatever changes from "discussing the issue" to "being oppressive" you lose the ability to even address the issue without fear of attack. There needs to be free an open discussion on topics such as those, by both those within and without, in an academic context. There is a huge difference between walking up to some people from a minority group and saying "hay _______, what's up?" and discussing ________ in an academic manner with regards to its impact on society. When people not of group X are barred from even talking about the oppressional forces on group X, they lose allies, support, and political momentum.
I find it interesting that people like those you were referring to in your OP have no trouble stating exactly what is and is not oppressive for their group X (transmen) yet go absolutely apeshit when someone talks about their oppression.